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Hi. im just curious as to wtf "due to uncleared samples" means? its been here for a while and i have no idea what the hell it means - Adrian

OK, I hope this page is a little more detailed (and cleaner!) - Ta bu shi da yu

It looks good - what needs verifying about it? Ambi 07:22, 22 Sep 2004 (UTC)
Just general information. Is there any more information that we can add to this page? - Ta bu shi da yu 07:44, 22 Sep 2004 (UTC)
Sorry, they're not my kind of band. However, one thing - for the appearances section, they also had a song on the fairly high-profile Liberdade: Viva East Timor album a few years ago. Ambi 08:23, 22 Sep 2004 (UTC)
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I am currently testing an automated Wikipedia link suggester. Ran it on this article, here are the results:

  • Can link debut album: ...lian dance music act, releasing their debut album Sambanova in 1999 under the Peking ...
  • Can link the USA: ... who's based in Sydney and has lived in the USA and Jamaica, is one of the rising stars...
  • Can link Australian music: ...u tracks), Juno is a rising star of the Australian music scene: he's about to sign a publishing ...
  • Can link The Congo: ...ack 4: Una Noche (Get Up) (Unplugged In The Congo Mix)...

Notes: The article text has not been changed in any way; Some of these links may be wrong, some may be right; You can leave positive feedback or negative feedback; Please feel free to delete this section from the talk page. -- Nickj 07:52, 19 Oct 2004 (UTC)

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Did Warner's take down the press release, and if so, why? Justin 06:14, 13 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Pronunciation

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How is the name pronounced? Is it a silent 'p'? Fig (talk) 08:59, 17 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Name origin

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got an old copy of DJ mag kicking around that has an interview with them where they state the name is the only word from a language they made up while tripping on acid, if i remember i'll try to find it for an issue number for the reference.

actually pretty much all the sources for the name origin back this claim, including the band's press kits. however, I wasn't sure if this was wiki appropriate. Nick Littlemore in more conventional interviews just says he was speaking in tongues, and the acid trip claim has even been proposed by one publication (forget which, I think allmusic) to just being a joke.
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Pnau and PNAU

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@Elton-historian: Please stop changing "Pnau" to "PNAU" because doing so is not only not in accordance with MOS:ALLCAPS and MOS:TMRULES (i.e. Wikipedia's manual of style), you're also introducing quite a number of syntax errors that are causing links and templates to not function properly. I'm quite sure you mean the best, but this isn't how this is done on Wikipedia. -- Marchjuly (talk) 05:12, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Okay. I mean no disrespect. I respect rules and copyright and all those things involved. When I was finished editing the name, I was gonna find a different pic and correct that.
Now, as far as changing Pnau to PNAU. They are actually PNAU, always have been. Because of music streaming platforms and other things involving metadata. It helps to get this right for integrity and making sure that the artists' work all goes in the proper places.
Now, having said that. You may be thinking, "Well why come on here and make a mess of this?". LOL. Well, I had previously made minor changes before, so, I thought this would be a breeze. Apparently, I'm going about this the wrong way. I apologize. How should I go about this? Elton-historian (talk) 05:25, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'm sure you mean well, but Wikipedia's Manual of Style is intended to try and keep things as consistent as possible across all of the project's articles for the sake of Wikipedia's integrity. Music streaming platforms and other things probably do things differently according to their style guidelines, but that matters not here. Unlike such sites, Wikipedia articles are typically interlinked to one another using WP:WIKILINKS and often make use of WP:TEMPLATEs to provide. So, when you change a name like you did, you're also potentially breaking such links and causing such templates to not function as intended. The band may stylise their name as "PNAU" and reliably sourced content about this can be added to the article, but this article is not the property of the band; in other words, none of its members or representatives have any final editorial control over it.
As for the image stuff, you need to find a freely licensed or public domain image to use for identification purposes. You should assume that pretty much anything you find online is copyrighted and probably can't be uploaded unless (1) the image is clearly already released under an acceptable free license or (2) you're able to convince its copyright holder to give their WP:CONSENT. Sometimes free images/video content can be found already published online (there's some info on that Wikipedia:Free image resources), other times you can try contacting copyright holders directly per WP:PERMISSION. You could try contacting the band's representatives and see if it would be willing to provide an image that Wikipedia can use. You could also try looking on sites like Flickr to see whether anyone who has seen the band in concert uploaded any photos and is willing to release one of them under an acceptable free license. -- Marchjuly (talk) 06:22, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for all the advice and help. Going forward I will try doing doing better. I have uploaded a new pic and provided the website link and a description.
Thanks again! Elton-historian (talk) 15:40, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
There are two problems with the latest file you uploaded. The first one is that you've overwritten the previous file, which in this case was not a good thing to do since the two files are completely different. It would've been better for you to upload the newer file as a separate file. This is a technical matter that can sort of be fixed by an administrator by "splitting" the files. The other problem, however, is more serious because there's still no license for the newer file and there's nothing to indicate on the url you provided as the source that the photo has been released under a license free enough for Wikipedia's purposes. That's not something that can be fixed on Wikipedia's end, and this file is going to end up deleted unless it the copyright holder's consent can be verified. As I pointed out above, anything photo you find online (particularly one taken by someone else) is going to be assumed to be under copyright protection and under a license that's too restrictive for Wikipedia's purposes unless it clearly states otherwise. A photo being used for "promotional" purposes by a website doesn't mean the photo is copyright free or released under a license that's free enough for Wikipedia. There needs to be something that clearly says such a thing; for example, something like "This photo is released under a blah blah blah license" where "blah blah blah" is one of these or a symbol like one of these. Maybe it would be a good idea for you to ask for help at WP:MCQ before uploading any new files if you're not sure how of their licensing. -- Marchjuly (talk) 20:11, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I concur with Marchjuly's assessment of the copyright status of the latest image you uploaded. Finding an image on the web somewhere, even one that's a promotional photo, doesn't mean it's suitable for uploading here. Further, please see WP:NFCC #1. We're not going to allow the use of a copyrighted, non-free image to depict this group. There is no evidence this image is available under a free license, in fact rather the opposite. As a result, this image will be deleted. Further, regardless of our own beliefs on whether the group should be referred to as "PNAU" or "Pnau", this article will be titled "Pnau" due to our guidelines. In cases where the group is referenced in article titles used for sources, it should go with what the source says, not what we think it should say. --Hammersoft (talk) 20:35, 17 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Alright! I was only trying to update this page to comply with the correct font, image, logo and/or spelling of the band's name for the very reason why people use Wikipedia... reference. I was updating the page for the fans, the band and consumers of streaming platforms, Google and other search engines for clarification purposes. If you believe that doesn't matter, they have an album stuck on it's own page on Spotify because it's filed under Pnau and not the correct spelling of PNAU. If spelling didn't matter with artists for integrity, then what if someone changed k.d lang's name to K.D.Lang on her Wikipedia? It might start to shift things a bit.
I've been as nice as I can be about this. You've recognized I was new to this, but yet you've continued to go after me. I don't understand how to tag copyright, even after, reading the article you sent. I respect copyright, and I'm trying to understand how to tag the photo properly, but if a link to the website that uses the photo with an explanation of where it came from and also why I copied over the first one I used isn't good enough, then what is?
Oh and by the way, if my explanation of why PNAU and not Pnau doesn't matter, then stop busting my chops over the photo. I don't care about the photo, I was only being nice to update it, since they are a trio now. I'm trying to do the thing, but I feel I'm being monitored very heavily for trying to do something beneficial. Sure I messed with the template, but a simple, "Hey! take it easy", would've sufficed, instead of letting me explain before changing everything back. I understand it could can mess with references... I don't think it will? if I just stick to changing the name in the articles. So, no messing with template or changing Pnau in actual reference. Got it! That's all you would have had to have said, but I apologized, I explained, you allowed no compromise and you've kept referencing for me to read this to do that because you can't do this according to that.
Well, I did read, and I still don't understand. This shouldn't be that complicated.
The photo. I don't care anymore, delete it, delete the other, hopefully someone else, with better skills, will come along and attach a a good pic.
But the name. That's different.
It's always been PNAU. Sure, I realize in the past, articles here and there, even on some platforms. They'll be referenced by Pnau, but now they're not just a smalltown local group from Australia. They've had a big hit with Elton John and Dua Lipa, Khalid, Bebe Rexha, they deserve more respect on their name. It should be all-caps like it's meant to be.
Here's some links to there social media and music streaming platform pages, with there name displayed PNAU and verified.
YouTube link:
https://youtube.com/@pnautv?si=SuRNmjBgFkA3HX-W
Spotify link:
https://open.spotify.com/artist/6n28c9qs9hNGriNa72b26u?si=BtwlAWfDRzqWzYg82uSIHw
X (Twitter) link:
https://x.com/pnau?t=pK-35eLnVnStuAkhdBxaZQ&s=09
Apple Music link:
https://music.apple.com/us/artist/pnau/5555346
Amazon music link;
https://music.amazon.com/artists/B000WOTACI/pnau
Deezer link:
https://www.deezer.com/us/artist/152789 Elton-historian (talk) 02:59, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Hammersoft
This is is from your principals on your Wikipedia page. I'm trying to improve something, now I've explained. You wasn't even going to give me the opportunity.
"5. You don't have all the answers, and never will. The project is too large for one person to understand all facets of its operation. It's ok. If you think you can improve something, be bold and do it. If someone reverts what you do, engage in discussion."
I've presented the reasoning for the name change, I've explained and apologized for editing too much. I've explained my ignorance about uploading the photo, while trying to do things in the best matter possible.
The photo can go, I have confidence someone will come along, with better knowledge, and provide a well copyrighted photo.
I'm only asking to edit the name with no hassle, because it's an improvement and it's right. No I don't have all the answers but, I never said I was a no-it-all either. I wouldn't change anything unless I knew it was right. I'll make sure not to mess with the template, any references, anything of that nature. If it seems as if the editing I'm doing is messing things up, I will stop.
I've said my peace, I never thought this would be such a hassle, but I wish I was confronted in a more respectful way, where we could have discussed it.
There's another one of your principals, on down from #5, that pretty much states, everyone makes mistakes, even the ones that have been doing it for years.
So, if I haven't heard from either of you or anyone else in 24 hours, I assume you've "walked away" and I'm going to resume editing this article. But, don't worry I'll be very careful and will comply. Elton-historian (talk) 06:14, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Hammersoft
"7.Members of ArbCom, Bureaucrats, and Administrators are just as likely to commit an error as any experienced editor. There are third rails for their behavior, and they are expected to abide by those additional restrictions. See WP:ADMINCOND and WP:ARBCOND. Nevertheless, remember they are as human as you are." Elton-historian (talk) 06:16, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Quasi-declarations like So, if I haven't heard from either of you or anyone else in 24 hours, I assume you've "walked away" and I'm going to resume editing this article. isn't really how Wikipedia works. All Wikipedians are WP:VOLUNTEERS and there are really WP:NODEADLINES placed on discussions like this; so, trying to artificially create and enforce them yourself is unlikely going to lead to anything productive. Moreover, nobody has posted that you can't or shouldn't edit the article; it was only pointed out that changing "Pnau" to "PNAU" isn't in accordance with Wikipedia's Manual of Style regardless of what other websites might be doing. If you disagree with this, the WP:ONUS is upon you to either (1) establish a WP:CONSENSUS that the guideline either doesn't apply or shouldn't apply with respect to this particular article or (2) make the case at WT:MOSTM that the guideline itself should be changed/updated to more accurately reflect what other websites are doing. None of what you posted above indicates there's any need for (1) (at least in my opinion). Wikipedia articles are written about subjects, not for the benefit of subjects; so, as posted earlier, what matters is whether article content is in accordance with relevant Wikipedia policies and guidelines, not whether it's in accordance with what the subject might want or what other websites are doing. Community-wide policies and guidelines can be changed and sometimes are, but discussion is needed on their relevant talk pages because such changes affect the project as a whole. Finally, copying-and-pasting blocks of text from Hammersoft's userpage into this discussion is not really doing anything to establish a consensus in favor of the change you want to make but is creating unnecessary WP:TEXTWALL that is unrelated to this discussion and is most likely going to go unread or even be possibly collapsed. If you've got issues with Hammersoft's principles, you probably should discuss them with him at User talk:Hammersoft because there's nothing about them that can be resolved here. -- Marchjuly (talk) 08:06, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Hammersoft
Interjected, out of nowhere and was disrespectful. Please stop sending me things about stuff not being right. Elton-historian (talk) 08:40, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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